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Bible Questions and Spiritual Discussion
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TRWord
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03/17/2011 05:15 |
Lanny Wrote;
We are called to believe in God.
But the awesome truth is that God believes in us!
God created all that is, including us, and called it good.
That is the ultimate reality by which we are called to live.
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“The ultimate reality;” this is awesome Lanny.
When Jesus taught this new reality the hight priest could not accept it, they called it blasphemy and they demanded the He be crucified. Several thousand years later, today’s believers have gotten accustom to the idea that God Himself manifested as His son Jesus Christ, but like the high priest they too are having problems with the next step and they too call it blasphemy.
John T Wrote;
We are in three parts, body, soul and spirit. God only took on a body when he sent his son Jesus to the earth. We are not God. God can send his spirit to live in us, but we are not one with God. Only Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit are one with God.
Today’s christian has little difficulty with the omniscience of God but his omnipresence and omnipotence is a problem because they see themselves as separate and apart from God. John T declared that we are in three parts, body, soul and spirit then he states that God can send his spirit to live in us. He cannot accept the idea that we are One with God because that tantamount to the declaration that we are God.
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John T
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03/17/2011 05:51 |
Are you saying that we are God TRWord?
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Bibleman
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03/17/2011 06:52 |
Scripture says that Jesus was crucified for claiming to be God's son.
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Davidwayne Lackey
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03/18/2011 00:02 |
TRW, Once again you have skipped over the obvious in Matthew 4:10. And you have redefined the the word presence to mean something that it was never meant to mean. If there is only one presence as you say then Satan, who I have proven with scripture exists, is a part of God and not a separate presence. This makes God evil since Satan is evil. And Jesus was talking to himself in the desert?
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TRWord
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03/18/2011 03:52 |
John T wrote
Are you saying that we are God TRWord?=====================================================
No!
I’m saying if you see yourself separate and apart from God you are in the flesh. On the hand if you accept the Oneness of the spirit then you are in the spirit.
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Bibleman
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03/18/2011 07:35 |
Davidwayne, I don't think you'll get to him because he thinks evil is evil (or "wrong", depending on what adjective he uses here), so using the word is wrong.
What I am getting here, TRWORD, is an interpretation of the Bible through hindu/buddhist/new age ideas. Now, while I am in disagreement, I could accept that, but not when you declare that the entire church has it wrong and has had it wrong from the beginning.
Quite frankly, that line of reasoning has been used by too many heretics (Muslims, Jehovah's witnesses, Manicheans, etc) to have any credibility.
Furthermore, there is, on one hand, as Lanny said, a different motivation to follow Jesus - "it is not HOW you pick up your cross, but THAT you do". However, on the other hand, how you view things will definitely influence how you act, as Ted recently posted in another thread the proverb that went something like this: "sow a thought, reap an action, sow an action, reap a habit, sow a habit, reap a destiny" (or something along those lines).
So while Christianity is an EASTERN religion, and therefore open to EASTERN interpretation, most of us here are WESTERN, and therefore, arguing truth among cultural lines in such a discussion, which is not valid argument since culture, unlike God, is very much relative.
I don't think you can convince me that your arguments are intellectually honest in regards to scripture; ;you have been unable to do so for quite some time now.
Anyway, that's what I see here.
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Ted C
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03/18/2011 08:43 |
TR, are we divine in any sense?
Do you think any portions of the Bhagavad Gita are inspired? Do you think there is some truth in pyramid power as the Egyptians practiced it, and crystal engergies?
It seems like I always find your answers incomplete and quizzical. I did a fairly complete outline of my theology on Page 3 of the thread "Christianity vs Mormonism" (last response 3/9). Why not just come straight out and tell us what you believe regarding:
1. The clear definition of God
2. The clear definition of Jesus
3. The clear definition of Man
4. The clear definition of sin
5. The clear definition of salvation
It strikes me that, as in Mormonism, your belief system may be causing you to try to purposely mislead people about the nature of your theology by using Christian terms and rationalizing that since you have the true definitions of the terms involved, it's not really deception. I believe, though, that the nature of God precludes Him from using any deception or misrepresentation at all in reaching people. If you don't come right out and define those terms honestly in language we can clearly understand, I'll have to assume your intentions are less than noble. Sorry. Can't think of any other way to phrase this.
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Davidwayne Lackey
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03/18/2011 09:32 |
I think he gets me James. TRW is from the USA. If TRW was from India I would take a different tact. He is following a mix of religions from India and Christianity. He understands the western mindset well enough. He has refused to deal with Matthew 4:10 because it directly proves that Satan the evil one is also a who and not just a what as he puts it, and that there is more than one way the The Bible talks about evil. He also confuses being one with God as being a part of God instead of being one with God in Spirit and truth. By Spirit I mean both the indwelling of The Holy Spirit and the spirit of truth as is written in Scripture, and in our hearts and minds.
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TRWord
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03/18/2011 18:04 |
Daidwayne wrote;
TRW, Once again you have skipped over the obvious in Matthew 4:10. And you have redefined the the word presence to mean something that it was never meant to mean. If there is only one presence as you say then Satan, who I have proven with scripture exists, is a part of God and not a separate presence. This makes God evil since Satan is evil. And Jesus was talking to himself in the desert?
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Yes the scripture speaks of the devil but if we interpret scripture with a false premise then it’s inevitable that we will be misled. You haven’t proven that the devil exists through scripture you have interpreted scripture with the conviction of the existence of an evil presence, which you have ascribed to your understanding of “the devil.”
As you said; “If there is only one presence as you say then Satan, is a part of God and not a separate presence. This makes God evil since Satan is evil.”
You have concluded that if there is only one presence that Satan must be a part of that presence, because you have placed your conviction of the existence of an evil presence before all else even Truth.
You wrote: TRW, Once again you have skipped over the obvious in Matthew 4:10.
Davidwayne I also wonder how you skip over the obvious in Genesis 2:16-17
And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. (Genesis 2:16-17KJV)
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Bibleman
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03/19/2011 18:40 |
TRW writes here:
"Yes the scripture speaks of the devil but if we interpret scripture with a false premise then it’s inevitable that we will be misled"
and you've answered our question yourself. It's just your personal theology, and you're being bigoted about it, claiming it's better than ours.
Please don't be that way.
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