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Ray 07/15/2011 07:40
I guess I just want to make sure that we take away from week 1 what John says at 27:38. Not an exact quote, but in the ballpark:

We are not trying to usher in new worries or striving by speaking about our
enemy and the agreements we have made with him. We explore the first
half of John 10:10 "The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy,"
so we can get to the second half of John 10:10, "I have come that
they may have life, and have it to the full."

"so we can get to" for me means "find new" modivation to seek the Lord and stand up in His mighty power. I think it might be easy for some to get stuck on the first part
of John 10:10 it is so shocking at times.

Rev 19
“Hallelujah!
For our Lord God Almighty reigns.
7 Let us rejoice and be glad
and give him glory!
For the wedding of the Lamb has come,
and his bride has made herself ready.
8 Fine linen, bright and clean,
was given her to wear.”

skeffie 07/16/2011 17:31
Thank you Ray and Kelley...what you have said has been really helpful. The podcast has had such an effect on my life and I'm seeing things so much clearer now re. my situation and spiritual warfare. What's been happening makes a lot more sense now. Thank you.
Sarajane8 07/20/2011 12:19
OHHHHHHHH BOY!! I listened to week one like 100 times before the end of the day1 IT WAS AWESOME!!!
I was inspired and challenged. I get the sense that My Father is saying to me "Fight my daughter, Fight"

YES this IS a war and I so forget that at times. I love the way John uses common films to illustrate his point. I have believed in my heart for many years that the enemy has a passionate hate for women it is obvious.

However I am so Happy to be reminded that I have authority over him and also to understand that I have weapons and that I am to use them.

I also loved when John said that after we hear this message we will HAVE to use our weapons of war.

Thanks Brian this is one of the most informative messages I have heard in a long time.
Kelley 07/23/2011 06:50
I never did really post the work God is doing for me in the material of class #1, and I have just come from a night of contending for these things, even for the understanding of them. I was praying through some of this on the chat and have come to a sense of something.... I know it is long but I want to just post the prayer itself, I have to get ready and leave for a funeral in a bit, and it is going to be a very hard day, and don't have time to tie it up in ribbons and bows, plus the prayer itself while raw and wordy, is where God was at work. So I am posting it. And asking for your patience. God is working with me in these things... and I don't know how to be succinct.

Lord, tonight is a night of struggle
» I have a funeral to go to tomorrow for someone who has been as family in my life for nearly thirty years
» and the news about Sean being so different then what we were hoping for
» Lord, I have to say I suppose I thought that praying all night would move your hand
» I can see the arrogance in that and yet I am so puzzled then about what DOES it mean to battle
» to fight for things?
» I am concerned about my own prayers
» they don't really seem to change any discernable thing
» my mind goes back to the verse about "the effective prayer of the righteous man availing much"
» and I wonder if I have just sinned to much in my lifetime
» that it is because I will never be a "righteous man"
» and yet even in my typing that out I recognize it as an agreement
» Right now my question is not why do these things happen, why life is touched by death and overshadowed by it
» my question is why prayer does so little
» This is not raising my fist to you
» but simply wanting to know the truth.... do I approach it wrongly, expect wrongly, behave wrongly, assume wrongly, believe wrongly????
» I have deep desire to have effective prayer
» so often it is the only thing I can offer from a life that is so cut off from others in any practical physical discernable way
» my heart IS called to pray
» so why doesn't it "work"?
» and frankly it makes me afraid Lord
» like prayer is this thing I can raise up
» and feel I can protect myself and those I love from harm
» and this "shield" honestly right now feels more like a vapor
» that anything can and will pass through without resistance.
» you tell us to pray... why?
» what is the desired outcome of our prayings for YOU?
» and then help me see that and align my heart with YOUR desires
» because prayer does not manifest my own desires in any way that I can tell.
» Lord I have to spend the day with people in a lot of pain tomorrow
» I am the believing one
» and I am going in there feeling ashamed
» feeling a twinge of regret to even say "I will be praying for you"
» it sounds so trite
» when what I really want to say is "I will keep you in this death grip and pull you into the light in any way that I can, and I won't let the enemy have you over this, and I won't let go.
» Lord I stand with YOu against all biterness that might develope
» in my own heart or the hearts of others affected by this death, on one hand, and the possibility Sean will die on the other.
» each person has lives that accompany them on some level
» people who live in their orbit
» whose trajectory and stability are affected by their presence
» and when that person is removed or brought to harm
» there is chaos to those caught in that missing or damaged "gravitational" field
» Lord I stand against that
» That YOU would be the Source
» and hold each life steady
» Lord I know Mike drank himself into a stupor tonight
» and I can feel his anger toward You
» his hurt and dissappointment
» He has walked far from You
» purposely
» Lord I think he is daring you to come and find him
» to call his name
» please Lord, be Mike's Daddy
» he needs you so much
» Let's not let the darkness have him
» show me how to stand for him
» to "bring your cross between him and his darkness"
» there was a time he knew you
» or seemed to
» I don't want to just give him over to the destroyer
» or let him go so far he is beyond reach of the light
» Lord please, SHOW ME
» HOW
» how do we fight?
» why do we keep losing?
» Lord I was his wife
» and to this day I don't know how not to be his wife
» They said that it is not "help meet"
» but "life saver"
» He may not understand covenant
» or choose to live your way
» or choose to be a husband to me
» I don't even need him to be or do those things
» but for me and my little house of one that is left to me
» i would fight for him
» not fight to have him or keep him
» or make him be married to me
» but simply to fight for his life
» that he wouldn't be lost to you
» that the enemy will not have him
» show me how to fight.
» If it is not given to win against cancer.... let it be given to win against darkness
» and lostness
» and bondage
» and separation from our life source
» Jesus.....
» your fierce presence
» speak Your creating word
» that divides the light from the darkness
» and help me pull Mike into the light
» whatever that looks like
» for his sake
» in a way that feeds his heart
» and gives him solid ground
» and Your Life Force
» breathing through him once again
» beating with his heart beat merged with yours... again
» Give me a word, Lord, that will defeat my enemy
» and will ring true
» and will break his hold.
» foul spirit of weakness and darkness and decay
» that drains the life from love
» and pulls a mans high head low
» that chips away at his promises
» and twists his soul into knots of illusion
» Lord give us release
» Give me a scripture.
» Give me a weapon.
» show me how to fight.
Lord you make me smile.
» i went to the Daily Light for today to look for scripture to use, and it is all about prayer.
» and even quoted the scripture I just quoted to You earlier about the effective prayer of the righteous man
» I will go meditate over those and come back.
» thank you, Jesus. Thank you.
» Jesus, I am having a glimmer of light here
» I am beginning to know what it means to fight
» and the affective and FERVENT prayer of a righteous man
» I forget the "fervent" part when I think of that verse
» fervent is the prayer offered up by a heart that deeply cares about the outcome....
» travails
» fervency isn't possible where one has not in some way tasted the cost themselves
» it seems like You are saying that power in prayer, prevailing prayer, will come through strongest in areas I have had to prevail myself through Your strength and sustenance
» Where I have fought beside You to become a woman of promise keeping integrity and conquered that enemy... I have prevailing prayer as a warrior and defender (what the name Kellie means) over those who have lost their sacred sense of promise and covenant.
» Where I have fought beside you to bring my flesh and apetites into subjection... I have prevailing prayer as a warrior and defender for those
» who are bound by addictions and illnessess that are due to over consumption and fleshly apetites
» in other words, I cannot prevail in prayer over an enemy I am still subject to myself
» THAT is the fight
» the effective and fervent prayer of a righteous man is the prayer of one who has counted the cost themselves
» who can wrestle in full knowing of the enemy that is faced
» and who has already won
» for themselves
» through Your mighty power and outstretched arm
» the kingdom land where men are free
» we cannot bring another soul onto land we have not won ourselves
» therefore be self-controlled and sober-minded for the sake of your prayers.—“Stay dressed for action and keep your lamps burning
» our words, especially in prayer, must be living words
» words that have the force of life in them
» they cannot be empty and devoid of cost
» Lord I am both sobered and encouraged by all of this
» like a small child holding her
» Fathers sword
» the heart is there, but the strength and skill are not
» I have not earned by way of contending along side You the kingdom ground for which I pray for others.
» there is much work to do
» and the encouragement I feel is because I know You would not have given me this heart just to tease me
» but to call me up
» my desire reflects my direction
» You wield that sword so well, Lord
» show me.
» Give me the strength for the work ahead.
Servant-Ken 07/23/2011 13:46
Kelley,

How did things change after you wrote your prayers and thoughts this way?
Ray 07/24/2011 04:32
Awesome rawness, Kelley. We can learn a lot about prayer here.

Lesson number one, overcome
Every fear of regret and confusion
It’s all illusion, delusion
Sent to disconnect the holy fusion
Of spirit and the flesh
Every mortal breath, is meant to bring forth fire
But only when the fear of death, gets consumed
On the funeral pier
So let the flames rise higher
...
Hold fast my people and sing
Through peace and through suffering
All for the joy that it brings, to be free
It’s gonna cost us everything
To follow one Lord and King
True love endure everything
To be free

http://joshgarrels.bandcamp.com/track/the-resistance
Kelley 07/24/2011 07:08
Very cool song, wow! thank you Ray. Ken, for your question, I'm not completely sure what you are asking. I know I want to start praying more on the chat room through the night for two reasons.... one is that it is much like going to a church to pray.... it's not like you can't pray anywhere but it sets a distinct time and place, the action of seeking out sacred ground from which to seek God seems to put me of sacred mind, and that helps me when I pray. The other reason is that I think just as believers show up at a place and being to pray from there it draws God's presence there. Part of our purpose in making a place of worship our own I think is to be a part of holding the glory of God in that place, I picture being a wick for a candle. Where I am praying, God will come. And I want Him to be here, where He is needed and sought by so many. So with that in mind, prayers spill. Sometimes I write them and sometimes I don't... but so often, like in this prayer I come in heavy hearted and dissappointed and leave strengthened and encouraged and knowing where next to step. Nothing changed overnight, I still have to walk out this new knowing, but now I know the assignment and have begun to walk. No longer discouraged or in a fuddle of doubt wondering if my prayers even work and what is the point. It's like I have tried to "push" people by prayer into freedom and onto land I don't even possess yet myself. In prayer you can't push, you have to draw people after you. The words you speak in prayer can't be just words, they have to have your life and His life poured into them. You have to own the land first and have first fought through it with Christ. So I have a lot of work to do, fortunately, Jesus is here.
Craig from Illinois 07/24/2011 08:46
Kelley, your last post reminds me of this important verse said by Jesus...

John 4:23-24

23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”
John T 08/12/2011 18:26
Wow, I know I'm late on this thing, but I just finished listening to this today (yes, just part 1, now on to the rest!)

As with all of John's stuff, very good, very deep, very thought provoking and stirring. I'm curious about reading the bondage breaker, and I should really read more of John's stuff as well.

Lots to work through in my own life - I'm not good enough, will never be, etc. Lies that I've believed and still struggle with.

It's a blessing to be here in this community,
John
Ray 08/13/2011 06:10
Neh 4:11 Our enemies thought we would not see them or know what was happening until they were already upon us, killing us and putting an end to our work.12 But time after time Jews who were living among our enemies came to warn us of the plans our enemies were making against us.[d]13 So I armed the people with swords, spears, and bows, and stationed them by clans behind the wall, wherever it was still unfinished.

Thanks, JE.
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