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Catholica
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04/23/2012 09:47 |
Thanks for the link Ray. I wish I would have seen the thread before the time was up.
Here are some more free talks about Islam, right-click (or Control-Click) to download:
The Closing of the Muslim Mind: How Intellectual Suicide Created the Modern Islamist
http://instituteofcatholicculture.org/media/Closing_of_muslim_Mind_Robert_Reilly_1.mp3
http://instituteofcatholicculture.org/media/Closing_of_muslim_Mind_Robert_Reilly_2.mp3
Islam: Origins & History; the Crescent & the Cross
http://instituteofcatholicculture.org/media/Origin_and_History_of_Islam_Dr_William_Marshner.mp3
http://instituteofcatholicculture.org/media/Crescent_and_Cross_Dr_William_Marshner.mp3
Reconquista: Islam & Christianity at War
http://www.instituteofcatholicculture.org/media/Reconquista1.mp3
http://www.instituteofcatholicculture.org/media/Reconquista2.mp3
St. Josephine Bakhita: From Muslim Slavery to Faith in Christ
http://www.instituteofcatholicculture.org/media/Icon4.mp3
Islam: What the West Needs to Know (video - Excellent!)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-871902797772997781
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Catholica
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04/23/2012 09:58 |
Hmm, I hadn't listened to the St. Josephine Bakhita recording before I posted it, but it intrigued me, yet it appears the speaker changed his mind and ended up speaking about St. Bernadette and Our Lady of Lourdes, so it's not really about Islam. But I've listened to (or watched) all the others and they are all good.
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Ray
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04/23/2012 10:00 |
Good, thanks much. My family has been hosting some Muslim kids while they are in higher education in the states for the last few years (a great outreach mechanism, btw, they come to you, you don't have to travel to them). What an eye opener. It has been an amazing and shocking at times. Jesus is so liberating and it makes you appreciate Him so much.
I'm buried in work now, but I'll definitely view these as soon as possible.
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John T
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04/23/2012 20:54 |
Interesting... someone tonight just recommended I read some of Joel Rosenberg's books, and they appear to have some of the conflict with those of Muslim faith in it as well. I've placed a request for one to check it out.
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Ray
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04/24/2012 12:54 |
We hosted some women who were Muslim and one evening they were talking about how much they loved world cup soccer and went on and on about how all things stop in their country for the games. I asked if they had ever played and it was pretty surprising how they responded. They spoke as if I had said something rather insulting. "It is not permitted."
Their rules about not doing things seem primary. Submission to authority and their rules is required and speaking about not doing so, as I did, is seen as something amoral. It never occurred to them that God would want them to be free in His love. Their view is that slavery is to be pursued, really. Nothing new, just a different religious regiment, another human system.
Dallas Willard was talking about this life view, not doing things, as Jesus taught in the sermon on the mount:
"In his teaching about adultery and the cultivation of sexual lust, Jesus makes the statement, "If your right eye makes you to stumble, tear it out, and throw it from you; for it is better for you that one of the parts of your body perish, than for your whole body to be thrown into hell," and similarly for your right hand. (Matthew 5:29-30)
What, exactly, is Jesus doing here? One would certainly be mistaken in thinking that he is advising anyone to actually dismember himself as a way of escaping damnation. One must keep the context in mind. Jesus is exhibiting the righteousness that goes beyond "the righteousness of the scribes and pharisees." This latter was a righteousness that took as its goal to not do anything wrong. If not doing anything wrong is the goal, that could be achieved by dismembering yourself and making actions impossible. What you cannot do you certainly will not do. Remove your eye, your hand, etc., therefore, and you will roll into heaven a mutilated stump. The price of dismemberment would be small compared to the reward of heaven. That is the logical conclusion for one who held the beliefs of the scribes and the pharisees. Jesus is urging them to be consistent with their principles and do in practice what their principles imply. He reduces their principle--that righteousness lies in not doing anything wrong--to the absurd, in the hope that they will forsake their principle and see and enter the righteousness that is "beyond the righteousness of the scribes and pharisees"--beyond, where compassion or love and not sacrifice is the fundamental thing. Jesus, of course, knew that if you dismembered yourself you could still have a hateful heart, toward God and toward man. It wouldn't really help toward righteousness at all. That is the basic thing he is teaching in this passage. Failure to appreciate the logic makes it impossible to get his point."
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Catholica
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04/24/2012 13:42 |
There is no such thing as freedom in Islam. God (Allah) is responsible for everything that happens, no matter whether it is good or bad. He recreates the universe every moment. If you move your finger, its not really you moving your finger, but Allah recreating your finger in another place.
Another example is gravity. It is not gravity that causes things to fall, it is Allah directly moving things downward. But Allah has habits, and his habit is to move things downward. If Allah wanted to move something upward, then it would.
Islam, therefore is all about submission to the all-powerful Allah. In a faithful, knowledgeable Muslim's view, everyone on Earth is Muslim even if they don't know it yet. Islam is not simply a religion, but also a political system. They are inseparable. That is why Shariah Law is such a big deal. If Islam gains a majority in any country, their next step is to enshrine Shariah law, which basically is extremely oppressive of other religions, and especially of people whose lifestyles their religion condemns.
So basically their whole worldview is one of forcing others into submission to Allah. It is blatantly obvious to the unwashed in how they treat their women. What is not obvious is that the religion/political system wants to put the whole world into a much worse slavery than their own women.
The video I linked to above is an eye-opener, for sure.
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Ray
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04/24/2012 16:55 |
spooky...yuk.
The people I've met who were Muslim were very sweet. They didn't seem to carry that burden with them. Just some random rules came out that they had to obey. I suppose it's not much different than church goers who feel some tug to not "sin" due to what they remember from Sunday school. I shouldn't steal this or lie about that, but they do it anyway cause it's the easy path.
How can people survive a day without the Holy Spirit?
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