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Bible Questions and Spiritual Discussion
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TRWord
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06/16/2011 15:32 |
Catholica wrote:
Help me understand how your beliefs play out in your life when things that seem to contradict them occur.
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This is a practical and excellent question. I believe that truth goes against what we previously believed and it defy our material senses. It requires childlike faith in the word of the Lord.
Matt. 18:2 And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,
Matt. 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Matt. 18:4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
We are call upon to deny what we see in the world and steadfastly hold on to the sayings of the Lord.
John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
No faith is required to believe what you see but faith is required to believe what we don’t see and wait in patience for it.
Rom. 8:24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
Rom. 8:25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
Jesus said:
John 14:20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
This the realization of the oneness of God. The day when all that have deceived us into believing in evil; "the absence of God" will be revealed.
This is the day when we will realize "the omnipresence of God;" that there is no other presence but God.
Ps. 139:6 Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; it is high, I cannot attain unto it.
Ps. 139:7 Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence?
Ps. 139:8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.
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Marcie in MO
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06/16/2011 18:17 |
TRWord said:
It’s all dependent on what we believe. The woman with an issue of blood believed that if she could just touch the hem of His garment that she would be made whole.
The man who had devils for a long time believed that he was possessed by unclean spirits. Therefore Jesus had to cast out the uncleanl spirits that he believed were in him or else he could not be made whole.
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But if what you claim is true, then why would God let us go on believing in demons and evil spirits if they don't exist? Jesus had many perfect opportunities to speak out on this.
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Ted C
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06/16/2011 18:21 |
Marcie, I think where TR is going with this is that we, as a part of our Divinity (call it our part of Divinity) are co-creators in the universe, and create through our thoughts.
TR, is that an accurate statement?
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Marcie in MO
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06/16/2011 19:59 |
That may be well and good, Ted, but it still doesn't understand why Jesus would not tell these people the truth all the times He had the opportunity.
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TRWord
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06/17/2011 05:00 |
Marcie wrote:
But if what you claim is true, then why would God let us go on believing in demons and evil spirits if they don't exist? Jesus had many perfect opportunities to speak out on this.
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God commanded Adam against this belief from the very beginning. And Jesus died to discredit this belief.
John 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
John 12:33 This he said, signifying what death he should die.
Most believers would agree that the devil was defeated at calvary but they continue to hold on to this belief.
Jesus taught mostly in parables and proverbs;
John 16:25 These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall show you plainly of the Father.
But the problem isn’t that He didn’t speak plainly the problem is that most believers have been misdirected away from His teaching to doctrine.
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TRWord
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06/17/2011 05:49 |
Ted C wrote:
Marcie, I think where TR is going with this is that we, as a part of our Divinity (call it our part of Divinity) are co-creators in the universe, and create through our thoughts.
TR, is that an accurate statement?
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Ted Jesus said it’s according to our faith and He gave us the key to our understanding;
Matt. 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
God said it this way:
Gen. 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
These are the accurate statements with which the truth can very easily be obtained.
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Calico
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06/17/2011 09:20 |
Hi again, Christopher,
I'll ask the question again, just in case it got lost among the other additions to the thread: can you provide to us a way to describe what evil is?
What wording would YOU define evil with? Even if evil does not exist, you must have some wording that you would use to descriptively define it, for conversation's/discussion's sake? At the very least, the WORD evil exists in language, and there WOULD be a way to define it, even if you have posited that it DOES NOT exist.
What is evil?
Happy Friday to you all,
Tom
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Ray
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06/17/2011 10:33 |
Interesting exchange. There seems to be some history between the participants. Can someone point to the previous thread about evil that might lend me some context, please?
The thought that came to me was the armor. What is the explanation of how it fits into this "TRWord model" (for the lack of a better name) of our current situation?
Eph 6
10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
The schemes, struggle, and forces seem active, don't they? If they are not, why would we need to prepare for battle? How does that play?
Perhaps this has already been covered in the previous exchanges. Thanks.
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Calico
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06/17/2011 11:17 |
Hey Ray, yes,
A lengthy alternate thread (one of them, anyway) is found starting here http://www.dailyaudiobible.com/Forums/Messages.aspx?ThreadID=1000028339&page=1.
You've added a good point in your above post, if I may say.
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Ted C
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06/17/2011 12:39 |
OK, TR, I think I'm tracking with what your thoughts are. Evil doesn't exist if we look to our Divinity and realize that evil doesn't exist. But evil does exist as the unpleasant or uncomfortable things we create through our thoughts if we do believe in it. As far as Jesus' message, what there is of his message in the Bible is accurate as far as it has been passed down correctly, but the translations we have and the history of people monkeying with the text for selfish reasons has distorted and perverted what we have written down now. Would those be accurate characterizations?
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