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Bible Questions and Spiritual Discussion
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TRWord
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10/06/2011 04:46 |
Bibleman if God knew to create male and female of everything including man Genesis 1:27. And if we interpret Eve as our female who was created only when the Bible says: And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. Genesis 2:18 Are we not interpreting our female as an after thought.
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Calico
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10/06/2011 07:41 |
After thought....?
Well, if I watch the order of creation strictly from the text alone, I see that God begins with the elemental things; heaven and earth with all of darkness and water, and then light... it appears as birthing process...
Then there are the additional things; the land, the vegetation, seeds, trees and fruit. There's the distinction of seasons, and sun and moon; there are the stars.
Then there are the life forms, which seem to come in an order of living things that are what we, in our common modern language, might call "lower life forms" advancing to "higher life forms," everything from "great sea monsters and every living creature that moves, with which the waters swarmed after their kind, and every winged bird after its kind" to "the beasts of the earth after their kind, and the cattle after their kind, and everything that creeps on the ground after its kind." (See Gen 1:21 and 25)
Following the ongoing order of things, man is created; then, and alongside there is the Woman.
If we - again, strictly from the text alone - take the order as being ascending, then appears that the order progresses from simplest to most complex, where we see Eve created last - a pinnacle of creation in finality, for the scenario at hand.
I am not trying to read anything into the text, or overstate the matter as if to say that "women have a some sort of dominance over men by virtue of creation." I am just saying that the text hardly seems to offer any sort of insight of "interpreting Eve as an our female, an after thought." It is, in fact, quite the contrary.
Score one for the sisters!!! :-)
Praying with you,
Tom
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Ray
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10/06/2011 07:56 |
As if God were operating and bound by time. Does "after" mean anything to Him? I hope not.
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TRWord
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10/06/2011 09:22 |
Tom the scripture cannot be more emphatic that man is both male and female. Our failure to accept this is responsible for our misinterpretation of Eve as our female.
Christopher
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Bibleman
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10/06/2011 10:09 |
AHA! Now you are speaking plainly, TRWord, and with you I agree wholly. We separate man and women for marketing purposes, but truthfully the 'separation', if any, should be much more subtle. More cloudy than probably any of us (especially myself) view it as...
having said that, to reiterate, how can we view these passages as 'God breathed' in light of the serious moral question of Deuteronomy 22, which we all clearly are a little offended by.
(in my interpretation on scripture, when I see any issues pop up, though, the first texts I disown are the letters that follow the gospels. Usually I come back to accepting them. Technically, inwardly, we don't have to accept them as scripture, since scripture meant the old testament. That's what I think. And yet, I still accept them as scripture. they raise far fewer questions than a lot of old testament passages.
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Davidwayne Lackey
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10/06/2011 19:43 |
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
It is male and Female created He them. Them, refers to more than one. God did not create male and female and say created He him, or it ,or any singular noun or verb. Clearly God said them. Two different and distinct people, one from the other.
As to Eve being our female no where in The Bible does it say this. Eve was made from a part of Adam's side by God, not by Adam. So Eve is God's creation made to be a helpmeet and partner in the ongoing process of creation till the end of days. We are on loan to each other till the day The Lord takes us. After that there is no marriage to any save Jesus. We will all be brothers and Sisters. So woman are not owned by man and man cannot rightly say, " this is my woman" as if he owned her.
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TRWord
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10/07/2011 05:33 |
Bibleman you have recognize a contradiction. A contradiction between Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 22.
There are no contradictions in scripture but there are contradictions in our understanding of scripture. In my experience when faced head on they have led to a spiritual break through.
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Ray
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10/08/2011 08:09 |
New strategies for interpreting Scripture turn out to be not so new—and deepen our life in Christ.
This "rule of faith" was not the creation of detached scholars, but an account of the gospel and Christian identity rooted in baptism: one reads Scripture as a follower of Jesus, baptized in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2011/october/how-to-read-bible.html?start=1
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Catholica
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10/08/2011 11:56 |
James.
Proverbs 3:5. Look it up.
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Messin.
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Bibleman
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10/11/2011 08:54 |
Ah, Andre...
and Ray, thanks for the article - I'mma sharing it on facebook!
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