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Bible Questions and Spiritual Discussion
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TRWord
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09/18/2012 21:51 |
John
That is ridiculous. God is all knowing He knew exactly what Adam would do even before He created Him.
You are stubbornly refusing to accept what is written. The scripture says that God warned Adam against knowing good and evil and the scripture is trying to teach you why.
Until we accept what is written we are lost.
Also where did I say evil does not exist?
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Ted C
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09/18/2012 23:08 |
TRWord you keep quoting Genesis 3:5. But it goes together with Genesis 3:4 and you keep leaving out Genesis 3:4.
What you need to quote every time is not:
Gen. 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
What you need to quote is:
Gen. 3:4,5 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
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John T
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09/19/2012 07:35 |
Where did you say that evil does not exist? Look at your statement - you say that the knowledge of good and evil is sin - therefore if you admit that evil exists, then you are sinning by your own logic.
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TRWord
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09/19/2012 15:18 |
Ted
This is the fundamental difference between our understanding. Your focus is Genesis 3:4.
You interpret the cause of sin as a serpent lying to a woman. You cannot accept God’s admonition against the knowledge of good and evil.
If Adam had believed God the serpent could not lie to him.
Even now you cannot accept that “knowing good and evil” is the cause of our demise as God said. So you cannot receive salvation which is the antidote to “knowing good and evil” through faith in Jesus Christ.
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TRWord
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09/19/2012 15:51 |
John
“Knowing good and evil” is the cause of sin this is undeniable because God said so. We have to accept it whether we understand it or not. As the scripture explains if you don’t believe God then you are deceived by the serpent which is more subtle than any other beast of the field which the LORD God had made.
What that means is if we don’t stand on what God says then you will be led astray.
As Paul Said:
2 Cor. 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)
The children of faith believe God and Jesus Christ.
You said before that God was testing Adam. God need not test any of us He already knows which of us will accept faith. Now it’s up to you to find out whether you will or not.
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Ray
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09/19/2012 16:47 |
"Also where did I say evil does not exist?"
That would have been here:
"Do I believe in the existence of the devil and evil? NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
http://www.dailyaudiobible.com/Forums/Messages.aspx?ThreadID=1000028726&page=3
But that was the first time we did this thread:
http://www.dailyaudiobible.com/Forums/Messages.aspx?ThreadID=1000028726&page=1
The second time was here:
http://www.dailyaudiobible.com/Forums/Messages.aspx?ThreadID=1000028339&page=1
There may be others, but I've been busy and not able to keep up. I must say I am beginning to see more clearly.
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TRWord
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09/19/2012 22:08 |
Thank you Ray
I did say that.
However I have realized that I should not say this to anyone who is not yet of faith.
For those who judge by what they see this is a very unhelpful statement. I have come to realize that a person has to learn to believe God first before they understand what being deceived really means.
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Catholica
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09/19/2012 23:18 |
Is not saying that you don't believe in evil when you really do, or vice versa, deceiving someone? Is that something that you believe that Jesus did?
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Ted C
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09/20/2012 00:57 |
I don't think sin is a serpant lying to a woman. I know that sin, in the case of Genesis 2 and 3, was eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. The reason it was the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in the first place was simply by virtue of the fact that God said not to eat of it. To sin is to do evil by breaking God's commandment. And the devil, the serpent, lied about what the consequence would be, even though God had said the consequence would be death.
Romans 5:12-14a "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression..."
The sentence you keep quoting, Genesis 3:5, is part of the devil's lie.
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Ted C
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09/20/2012 01:35 |
A better definition of Sin: Sin, ultimately, is going against God's image. The verse I quoted in Romans 5 does a better job of explaining it than I did. The principle is still valid, though. God has commanded in Leviticus 20:26,"And ye shall be holy unto me: for I the Lord am holy" and from that standpoint, boy, we all fall short!
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